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I think the author needs to actually play a system instead of sitting around doing armchair theorycrafting before he makes a review of it. With the exception of Point 2 this is about as well-informed an argument as you can get. No doubt, certain classes shine better than others in certain aspects if you are a mountain dwarf warrior you are never going to fly without the aid of a mage , but overall they are all useful. Also, the Backgrounds are a major standpoint besides Class and Race. Also, if you stand for the Magic User in combat, you are clearly wrong: the most effective in combat is surprise!
Example: 6th-level Wizard has Lightning Bolt or Fireball as the most effective damagers in his hands; with an average damage output of 32, an armor between if dex is the second stat , ideally a 20 with Shield and Magic Armor spells, 32 hit points. He even breaks its concentration automatically if he wants to use the feat Mage Killer.
And he can, easily, because he got one more ASI than the mage at the same level. Of course, the wizard still can fly or fireball goblins, but still, in fight, the fighter is better. Your Beastmaster also has multiattack, and can stop easily with arrows to the neck or two weapons attacks. Beast Masters, for example, excells on a Survival-Exploration game. On combat they are still useful, although arguably not as much as a fighter. Every subclass has his own flavor assassin is infiltration guy; Hunter is damagey guy, Champion is DPR guy, Battlemaster is tactics guy, etc , but all of them are still very competent on game.
Average, In two rounds. All classes are useful in some way or another, and the options are clear and sound: there is no need of min-maxing a lot. There it is. If you want to, you explore feats to increase your odds or give you an edge; most classes hold their own on almost every situation. Intelligence is your basic ST against psionics, so if your campaign is going to be illithid-themed, you HAVE to invest on this.
Also, Investigation traps, clues, etc is an Intelligence skill. And Arcana, if you are going to be in a magic strong campaign; Nature, History, and Religion too are Int checks.
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Strenght, in my games, is a big deal: falling, swiming against the flow, holding big objects falling, and grappling are serious issues. Because BA, you can give world-fixed difficulties without arbitrary number inflation. But there is situational flat modificators: cover is an example, but armor and Blessings and Guidance spells too. The variation of capabilities of every group is going to vary wildly the effectiveness of some classes. For example: Paladins are going to be very useful against undead, and a wight or shadow is going to be nasty against Fighters or martials of any kind.
Also, most traits are situational: the Assasin or spy is a horrible threat against spellcasters if it is hidden, but on plain sight is going to be a cakewalk for a fighter or paladin. This requires a little bit of mastery on the DM, but: a several enemies are going to be deadlier than single enemies unless it is a dragon or such , as their Action Economy is going to be better.
Example: five Thugs 10 actions, with Pack Tactics can give a 8th level Paladin a bad time, but a Vampire is going to be a lot easier 3 actions, considering Legendary Actions , even if the former is nominally a bigger threat. Ghouls on sewers are going to be deadlier than in daylight. All in all, you had it wrong. Even if you are running a combat-focused, dungeon-crawly game, you are wrong.
X games: combats are faster and exciting, enemies hold their threating level longer, there is no abstract inflation and overuse of min-maxing, and is really simple to tell to new players. You write about a great combination for the fighter, but only mention 1 spell option for a caster class. Yes if a fighter is in position and wins init, they can slay a wizard in one round with good rolls. Suggestion, hold person, command can stop a fighter from drawing a weapon, getting close or attacking. Mirror image grants even more protection when needed.
Invisibility allows for a respite if needed, heat metal allows 2d8 extra damage guaranteed with no attack rolls. The action economy and the way most disabling spells work in 5e make it extremely difficult to win a one-on-one fight with them. It also ONLY works for 1-on Mirror image is only likely to last one round against a competent fighter, and it takes your action to cast so in a one-on-one fight you essentially just waste a spell slot to get a one-round stalemate.
Perfectly written comment. This whole post is as wrong as it is wrongheaded. Every tabletop game that has been written since the beginning of writing has had the amazing ability to let people do what they want and think for themselves. Well said. That may be the sassiest non sassy argument I have ever heard on the internet. I approve wholeheartedly.
But the number of complaints that Oren has with the system would leave a skeleton of a rules set by the time he has finished. The number of rules that would have to be tossed out would kinda defeat the purpose of having any of them. Players will beat you over the head with the book if they are control freak and powergaming types. That is not the character I want to play in the story we are writing together.
I definitely agree that the game is unbalanced as all hell. Evidence of that is that you can get to the point in 5e where you can, with the right combination of classes, feats, gear etc be rolling easily over d6 in one combo. The fact that a party member I had could one shot someone like orcus without batting an eye, makes the tension kind of be lost. I am going to link a forum post that proves my point, and this is low compared to what people can achieve. By doing a simple google search, you can find stuff like the smite knight build, which also is doing a ridiculous amount of damage.
In fact, practically all of the ones who fancy themselves as serious players put optimization roll-playing over flavor any day. This is because they see the game not as a role-playing game but as a combat simulator. I am the odd duck who thinks the GM should encourage people to play the flavor they like and compensate with house rules. I tried this and most of them balked. If this were a Phil class or a court of law, you might have a point. Good job. That does not, however, mean you cannot have fun with 5e, and many people appear to be doing just that.
Is it unfair or cruel to put deadly traps or turn to stone monsters against low level PCs? If it exists, its there to be used. DM needs to feel out the party and determine what they can handle. So no, the cleric wizard example is wrong. The balance attempt is not struck there — it comes with the teiring of class features — 5th level is a tipping point for most classes for example — you either get a big casting boost fireball or extra attack which can result in 25dpr or more. At later levels, the most powerful spells 7th-9th only ever get cast once per day, which maps with the most powerful features for melee classes — relentless rage, persistent rage and indomitable might for example.
Magic item balance is also a nightmare some uncommons are clearly superior to rares etc. But the game does give you guidance in the DMG on what level of character should have A one magic item of a particular rarity. PG The full plate knight at level 20 and the full plate knight at level 1 both have 20 AC. I do think that Monster Challenge Rating was a major fumble.
Almost all of the monsters who arent Dragons are far over-rated. You are conveniently ignoring the key text you quoted on multitasking. You can use those slots, but only to cast your lower-level spells. This shows you can use your combined slots across all your multi-classes. For most it also limits what spells you can take by what your level makes available.
However, since Clerics have access to all their spells from level one they can use those higher spell slots regardless of Cleric level. You do that by looking at the single class rules including the table. Then next you determine your slots per day using the multi class table. IOW, a 1st level Cleric can not cast 9th level spells. They can only cast 1st level spells. I always laugh at these kinds of posts.
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I launched a campaign world that we still use today. Spellcasters rampaging? Let them and then add more orcs or trolls or whatever. Their spells go from ending encounters to making them manageable for the party. There are plenty of monsters resistant or downright immune to magic as well. Then they will be glad the fighters are there…. Min-maxing is not a bad thing. The goal of the game is to be able to clear challenges.
The fact that many options given to the player are objectively worse at clearing the challenges offered is a massive flaw in design. Simply no. This statement is the antithesis of an RPG. If you have a specific type of player as the dominant voice in your group.
Some of the comments the author made demonstrate complete misunderstandings of the rules. I think the author may be running this game completely wrong at his table and blaming the system for being bad as a result. You show a very deep lack of understanding of this system. Your multiclassing example is empirically wrong, and you showed no mention of attunement as a limiting factor in magic items. The GM adjusts on the fly to tell the story. I mean really? The common misconception there needs to be balance on a one on one class basis though seems to be as persistent as the damn wage gap myth.
Some things ARE poorly made, clearly done with a minimum of effort. The result is something below the minimum acceptable standard. And yes, some things in 5e fit this frame. Holy old posts batman, but yea I can agree to your points. I find it a good game for introducing people with zero tabletop rpg experience to role playing, but prefer 3. Doing so from scratch is altogether different. They are lazy because they have lazy thinking.
Rather than write spells for wizards- spells is plenty- and a ton of filler monsters rather have fewer that are high quality and make design easy for any others DM want and make the system better with more thematically explained elements. You must think Hollywood is so hard working make the same movie types from varied initial scripts. They do a lot of work to ensure experts never have any real input as consultants on movies. Ok, they may not be perfectly balanced, but they are a far cry from the unbalanced mess that is 3.
In the campaign where I DM 15th level , the champion fighter is one of the more useful players even though this is his first time playing an RPG of any kind and we have a cleric power-gamer, a sorcerer, and bard. Yes, they can use their 9th level spell slots to cast a cleric spell, but it would have to be a 1st level cleric spell cast at 9th level. Gear Grind. I agree somewhat. However if has hoard tables and how many times you should use each table. Easy to Fail?
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Physics Sleep. Does it do damage? If so, then it wakes them up. If not, no. You answered your own question if you payed attention. Encounters That seems hard to believe. I think the GM might have miscalculated the XP. The calculator is a guide, like a very loose tolerance slide rule. Its not perfect, nor is it correct in every circumstance. If you let loose some monster that is supposed to have its big bad attack be turning you to stone, and all the characters have magic gear that prevents it, suddenly that monster is a cake walk, even though the XP adds up. Ironically this can be seen as a form of railroading, if you give the PCs some magic items and then sidestep their boosts entirely by never throwing a monster at them that does that, or doing the opposite by not giving PCs magic items to save against effects and only using those types of monsters.
The reason 5e feels like a big mess is because it really is one, like having all the ingredients to cook 50 different meals on your counter. Magic items can get out of control, especially if you have hoarders, powergamers, and control freaks sometimes all wrapped up in one at the table. The party was more like a walking department store assembly of animated mannequins covered in rare magic items than a group of people. Part of the problem is trying to make what happens each session seem important. That can mean doling out powerful loot each time, because people have so little time in their lives to devote to gaming.
The idea is to try to cram as much value into a session as possible.
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But, when powerful things become mundane, by being expected entitlement then you lose value. That said, it can be boring to go through a lot of complex effort and end up with a useless dagger and a few gold for all of your trouble. You make the game fun and YOU make the adventure work. So what is the point in playing any particular game?
Are all RPGs the best because they can be homebrewed? Fact is, many people have complained about all the editions. They have points and failings. It comes with the package. We will never agree, and I get something you like was not praised and was attacked by someone else.
I appreciate your reasonable response 3Comrades. Going through the six points: 1. This is a misconception based on misreading the rules as discussed above. If you believe some specializations are better than others, fine. How does this impact players? Again, simply not true. Also, guidelines are present DMG p. Proof is in the pudding. The PHB gives guidelines for how to avoid any pitfalls for each character class; if a player ignores them, whose fault is that? The point on saves is irrelevant, since all classes have a strong and weak save.
The examples are weak. I have no problems adjudicating the sleep spell and invisibility. Yes, you can summon Giant Owls with Conjure Animals, and they can grapple creatures on an attack and possibly fly away with them. In any case, it too is trivially answered by a very reasonable DM call e. How does this affect a game in any mechanical way, other than the player wastes his or her turn?
This one is hard to answer, since links in the story are to irrelevant posts elsewhere on this blog, and no specifics are given. It seems fictional to me. So, six points made. Two of them 1, 3 based on not reading the rules. Three of them unsubstantiated prejudice 2, 4, 6. And one 5 that makes a potentially valid point about summoned owls. They way I look at systems and making something up on the spot is this. All systems will have things that are not covered in the rules.
You can just add more and more rules but this can make the game bloated and hard for new players to approach.. So the real question becomes this.. Or just a Deception Roll, which gives the opponent a disadvantage on spotting your normal Slight of Hand roll to move the object. With some games it can be a right nightmare.
Take Call of Cthulhu when you are doing something which there is no skill for and is a bit weird. You end up peering over the players character sheet, going do you have something similar??? A lot for me to respond to. But I think I will. It simply means the characters have to think more strategically, and use the environment to back them up if possible.
The right combination of classes can deal with a number of threats as well, and the PCs are expected to retreat, rest, regroup, then press forward. The GM runs the game based on the information presented by the players. The characters they make tell the GM what kind of game the players want. You build a campaign around social encounters, politics, and intrigue. Not happening unless you want to gimmick by trying to get advantage all the time to cancel out disadvantage, since you compare these at ratios to see if you have one, the other, or neither.
Grenadiers followed suit of being the larger, stronger person at the vanguard of assaults. Even gnomes would need to raise fighters to protect their assets in their lands. Halberds are just wooden handles with a metal head, easily reduced like a sawed off shotgun to make it compatible for a shorter individual. The fight over editions is also the fight over ideologies regarding fun. My legs can, but it is bothersome and time consuming, so I prefer a bicycle, a car or a bus instead. Spellcasters have always had a power advantage over the other classes. The thing that used to keep it in check were the divergent XP requirements.
Compare Charm Person from 1e with Charm Person of 5e. Compare Phantasmal Force for a gnome illusionist vs. The way multi-classing and spellcasting is addressed is flat out wrong, either intentionally or through lack of knowledge. I think many of your complaints can be ascribed to too much rules lawyering and not an assertive enough GM which is a problem in any game world or when familiarizing yourself with a new ruleset. If the book says players should get K XP for a not dangerous enough encounter, then the XP reward is simply set too high and should be adjusted down to better reflect the experience.
A GM who permits so much rule bending has some experience themselves they need to acquire. When I wanted to play something complicate, I used to play Rolemaster. Now 3rd edition, 3. If you are of the generation of WoW, probably you cannot understand. They streamlined the mechanics and created a leaner game. If you are searching for blance in rpg, you need to change kind of games. You can look for balance in boardgames Descent, Heroquest… , there is the right place.
In rpg the opportunity are granted by your group and, most of all, by the DM. Good DM know how to keep everybody entertained, not just the guy with the most powerful character at the table. Again, the comparison you do might even be true I do not know, I do not even think to start doing this kind of evaluations , but the issue is at the root.
That is the most dull-witted reading of how spellcasting works for multiclassed characters possible. It then gives examples in case you try to go out of your way to misunderstand. To assume truth in the incredible is tautologically insane. Sure seems like it, given the smug tone and the general lack of knowledge about the subject matter.
Well this makes sense. If they had kept the magic more along the lines of 5th edition with the 4th edition mechanics it would be damned near a perfect game system. Obviously nothing is perfect. To add…. I fixed my problem with all other game systems. I just broke down and started making my own.
A few Sci-Fi and an ongoing Fantasy campaign that wreaks of stolen Skyrim material although fun as hell. This voids the rules lawyer because there arent rules to cover every little thing. My system doesnt just have hit points. I tried to take more than one aspect of damage into account…. So an Axe may do so much damage to the flesh, but also being so heavy may stun the target and even cause him to bleed.
Yes, its all done with numbers, but the end effect is more detailed without adding too much extra accounting. The system only covers very basic stuff like Role Playing and combat and a few other things to help the GM figure out things like missed shots and where they go. I wanted to be opened ended. Let the GM run the game, make quick decisions about things that come up in the game and keep the rules lawyers at bay so everyone could have fun instead of 30 minutes looking for some obscure damned rule that we all forgot what page it was on. The counterpoint to the dreaded rules lawyer is the neopotist GM, the one who plays favorites at the table.
Otherwise, it quickly turns into the nepotist GM problem. Or, the casters must resort to simple blasting. There is a line between a player who knows the rules and tries to use them to be effective and a player who is using the rules just to be combative toward the GM. There is also a line between a GM who is playing favorites and one who is uniform about the rules. The problem typically is, as I said, casters getting the shaft… especially when it comes to things like illusion. One had no idea what was going to happen when one would try to use an illusion spell with that GM.
Typically, it was the nerf bat. I agree with much of what is said here. This is because it should be obvious to the players and GM what to do given a certain situation. Repelling Eldritch blast, Smite on melee with Polearm feat, and bardic inspiration. Overall I like 5e, but I find so many problems with it that I need to house rule a ton to make it playable. Look overall magic is always a problem when it comes to balance. I think too often we think in terms of game mechanics rather than role play. A spell caster wields great power and are far rarer than a skilled swordsman.
The only hope most mortals would have against them in reality is magic, cunning, or faith and on rare occasion science. Even Conan had Crom whom he beseeched when matched against sorcery. So when fighting a wizard as a martial character you do not engage them unless you can get close and the closer the better.
A spell caster grappled, with the hands of an enraged barbarian around his throat is likely a goner magic or no. Like wise a barbarian caught in the open or unawares by a well planned spell or series of spells from a spell caster often finds himself at a severe disadvantage. Trying to create a game where all the classes are equal is why the game requires so much gear grinding. It ends up in an arms race on who can have the best gear rather than on being brave, creative and a good team.
My fighter cannot move mountains but with a simple piece of steal he can cut down fifty orcs. My spell caster can blow up mountains but a knife in the dark as he sleeps still kills him. Stop trying to be a badass and try and play a character. I saw it in action, guy created a half-Orc Fighter with high Int and Cha. However, this is the case in ANY system- noobs can and will create terrible characters. The player is not to blame for choosing the flavors that suits them. There obviously are terrible characters. The high int and cha, low everything else fighter given as an example here is a perfect example.
I have a friend who apparently enjoys that sort of thing. This guy is a joke. Go fully read page of the PHB … It is misleading if you only pull out a single sentence out of context. You can use the spell slots of those levels to cast the spells you do know-and potentially enhance their effects. Meaning sure you have high level spell slots.
Grats on casting magic missile and cure wounds with level 7 slots. Too bad your party cant greater restoration or revivify. You can use those slots, but only to cast your lower level spells. Balance is not good, randomization is very high. Go play Candy Crush if you want a game that tells you how to win. Lol This guy is the reason I read to the bottom of this thread. Yeseylon, thank you for being a reasonable person. Not so. RPG means role-playing game. That role could have practically no gear at all. There are some points in article I can agree but most significant problem I found in DnD5e is absurdly high amount of random elements.
D20 makes wide range of randomness and when you add some critical hits, some numbers could be insane compared to level of characters. I am not high experienced GM and compared to other editions, I find hard to make interesting and still challenging encounters with 5e.
Sometime I expect that enemy is strong and somehow my party wins in 2 turns and compared, in my party, low level monster one shot our tank with one good role. Randomness is the problem, and not enough rule mechanics to balance it. PS: You blame author so much because he did not understood one of rules as it was intended. But… is there problem with Oren… or problem with hard to read and non-consistent rules? Re: randomness in 5E. Also compered to 3. Personally I like 5e. While I agree that randomization is higher in 5e, the balance between the classes is actually a lot better than 3.
Casters may have some extra benefits, but there are not broken as in 3. I might have a different view than most players out there and that is probably why I disagree with this article at all. I have done combat heavy dungeon crawls with no point but to kill and those get repetitive and boring. The author here sounds like they need to stick to Diablo. Regardless, we are all entitled to our own opinions and I for one have thoroughly enjoyed 5th edition. Read the 1e books sometime. Look at all the pretty tables from Classic, too.
This is the reason online games have markets and auction houses: to let player interaction influence market prices at least indirectly. Play 1e. Even a 1st level spell can enslave someone for weeks, maybe months. Even a 1st level spell can create a group of well-armed deadly archers. I realize that some play very fast and loose with the franchise but it has been a combat simulation crunchy tactics from the start.
DnD has always been crunchy, but I would strong disagree with you that it is a combat simulator. DnD seems to take the idea that social encounters need fewer rules than combat encounters. Personally, I hate games that add too many rules to the social side of the game. I need rules to adjucate combat, I need rules to adjucate non-combat skills when failure versus success means something.
I much prefer 5e, though I have only been a DM for it. Take for example my current character in Dragon Heist. No lie, I do love that this article was published nine days after I wrote my review. Someone at Blizzard is a fan, I think. Also a DM who tries to subvert their players plan by denying them the kind of animal they want is going to foster a very hostile environment at the table. Another point regarding the summoned owls is that, per the Sage Advice, they are under the control of the DM, not the player.
Oren, you create a hostile environment. To be fair, though, that is what the internet is for. I am personally a fan of summoning a horde of Boars and trampling bosses to death. But in large part because I respect so many of your thoughts and insights, I feel drawn to express my contrary opinion on this subject. Quite the opposite in fact: compared to 4th edition and other games which give you more options, you are lead by the hand in 5th edition.
One of my biggest problems with 5e is that there are very few options for building your character I know any mechanical combination I come up with will already have been done before, probably by many others before me. Overall, I think 5e accomplished a lot of its goals with regards to being friendly to new players and less rules intensive. With less number crunching, there is more room for actual roleplaying, which is definitely a good thing.
Though, with all that being said, I personally still prefer 4e even with its many flaws. And understanding where the author stands in this area validates or negates the points they are trying to make. I play and DM from a roleplay perspective. In fact my favorite character was essentially a Bard who cast spells as a wild mage because she did not complete her training.
She rarely actually joined in the fighting as her dream was to record new stories of heroic deeds. First time was when giant toads threatened to end her story in an uninspiring way. I choose to cripple the class by not knowing how to casting magic. She did not learn until she stumbled upon a spellbook in an old wizards library and mistaking the incantation for a poem.
And having a habit of speaking aloud when she reads. And my bard with a ghostly wizard mentor. But, as I said she pretty much cast the spells as a wild mage with an interesting imagination. I actually saw the Wild Mage in 5. Roleplayers embrace the flaws and use them to their advantage. Games are nearly impossible to balance so there will be people out there that will figure out the way in which to play a game in such a way that it is better at a particular thing than everything else and from that moment on that is the only way they can play.
See how much fun you have with a table of powergamers with your nice flavorful ineffective character. Well the author is clearly in need of some hooked on phonics or someone to read the rules for them. They also apparently need to learn to play games for fun rather than being the best at everything and min-maxing their imagination.
This article was poor. I got half way through your article and gave up seeing as how i picked up the DMG and PHB two days ago and can already see that almost everything you are saying is either incorrect or impracticable and stupid. Very much wow. The art is fantastic, thought. Nothing is guaranteed and if you make magical arms and armour available at every walmart the party travels to, it makes them mundane and uninteresting.
Maybe in the groups you deal with. The ones I have dealt with are full of people who delight in being the most powerful at the table, not the ones they look down on. I mean there are people here who multiclass there classes… What dm would allow that without a very very very good explanation of the character.
Why have a system if you just have to do the work yourself? If they disallow, the are doing their job as a DM. It is only part of the game is the story you create makes it so. The only really important thing in DnD is the story, more so, by miles I might add, than the rules. Just to add something, as a DM and as player as well I suppose, since I played as a player with only two DMs, I had very few magic items….
My players at level 9 had about two magic items and very few potions. As a wizard, I had one ring. And weirdly enough neither I as a player or or my players with me as a DM did anything for loot. You should be playing PC games. I do like the attunement rules in 5e, and how magic bonus items work in 4th and 5th. I have and always will stick with 3. Ive been playing since the basic box sets and it is without a doubt the best system. I call for a whole sale return to 3. I understand the 3. I especially miss skill points; they really made each character feel unique and made INT a worthwhile investment.
While this article has pointed out a few flaws with 5e, these are about half as significant as the author implies. There are very easy ways to build characters of any class that rule the table. Although,I do agree that Beast Master Ranger was way at the bottom, the WotC developers listen pretty well to the fans, and have released new supplemental material to fix that flaw. Crawford, Mearls, and Perkins also do a great job of helping to interpret rules that are questionable. Having played every edition except Basic, I can say 5e has been a wonderful improvement on the balance between martial classes and Magic users.
At some point between levels 1 and 20, each class has a time at the top. It just so happens that casters tend to take that chair uncontested around level It is a wonderful system that should not be discounted because of some miss guided gripes with a few choice scenarios. Maybe that involves going back to 3. An example of the invisibility rule you have so much issue with. Ask them how they are doing it, get them to describe the action of looking for traps.
If its a really smart idea, throw them an advantage on their roll. Heavy on combat. Heavy on rules. Light on RP, especially RP depth. Its not. Social encounters do not need as many rules in combat. No, it is a game which is a sandbox in social encounters. Want to punch the priest in the face? The skills are there to add a sense of danger to your social encounters — You invest in them if you want to be better at said encounters.
Thats why Rogues have expertise — So that they can become amazing at stealth, like they should be. But, any master assassin can step on a loose plank and alert everyone nearby to his surroundings. You could make a Wizard whose has 6 intelligence and wacks things with his stick, never casting spells.
The Martial Classes are way underpowered in that edition. This edition gives option and ability to really make one build feel totally different then another. I prefer to have weaknesses and to work around them. This is awful. It got rid of all individual and interesting things from the world. If you wanted to be a human in pathfinder with Darkvision and Elf ears sure because there are things for that.
None of the races or classes have anything that can not be done by any other. Pathfinder is 4E for fanboys. This is my opinion and i know this will cause a huge fight but i stand by it. No need to get personal. They can make them as available as they want. They want a huge magic game they can be everywhere and cheap or if its a stark rare thing to find an item that can happen as well. Its very open. There is some point in that. The idea of RPG and table Top gaming is to have fun with people. If your arguing about things for hours on end.
Me personally i like White Wolf way more then i do D and D but i like to play both. Each system offers things to each group that enjoys them,. Find the system and game that is fun for you and encourage others to do the same. Magic items in 3. It is an oversight that is in no way detrimental to the game, but is something that should be addressed. Rules are there to increase choice and supplement creative differences in a character, 5th edition is a cookie cutter approach with limited choices, and one dimensional characters in flavor and game mechanics terms especially martial classes.
While you can make creative fluff for 5th character, and any system, without rules behind them the choices will not have an impact on the game itself, unless the DM makes them up on the fly constantly. As a DM of systems with more crunch I appreciate the guess work and balance of rules being made already for me without me having to make up rules. If players are making murder hobos, its not the systems fault, you need to discuss the abuse of rules with them.
Classes like reality do not need to be balanced. In fact they should NOT be balanced.
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Imbalance creates unique stories and offers more chances for the party to cover each others flaws. Or in the case of evil parties exploit their weakness for personal gain. Constructs with high magical resistances. Missions that involve sneaking past pillars armed with traps with permanent detect magic enchantments. Ect Ect Ect. Back to the roleplaying side of things for a moment. Both 3. Many try to play it as a hack and slash, and there in is the problem.
Why are a nature loving ranger and a wizard who loves to sling fireballs in the middle of a forest even in the same party? Not all encounters need to be combat, and that is where many of the classes shine. Swimming through a flooded underground cave, or climbing a nearly sheer cliff to set a rope to guide the other through. Lifting a large boulder free of a trapped companions leg. Gathering information by infiltrating a smugglers ring… Ect, ect..
Those are where less combat capable classes come to shine. Those are the things the DM fails at by not including in they story. Rather it has a lot of stuff that is just a bunch of mechanics stuck in their with no real thought except for this is how we balance it but without any justification. I would be more inclined to take this article seriously if Mr. Ashkenazi could properly apply the stuff he reads and quotes. Aside from this, the other most glaring issues in the article are: 1 The point that AC is somehow super important. This means that the most important resources you can have are actually hit points or effects which negate damage such as Uncanny Dodge, the Defensive Duellist feat, or spells like Mirror Image.
Nope, invisibility makes you invisible. Enemies have to perceive where you are and even if they figure it out, they have disadvantage on attacking your square with a weapon attack. Once again, Mr. Ashkenazi should have taken the time to familiarize himself with important mechanics before writing a scathing, ill-informed article. Other than these points, the article touches on some issues that have plagued tabletop games since their inception, such as verisimilitude. Sometimes in these situations, you have to accept that rules are intended to provide for ease of play.
If it becomes something that players abuse, you are empowered as the DM to make a new rule for it. Hey, Oren here. I tried to post this on your article, but it looks like my comment got lost in moderation. Anyway, thanks for linking to us! The trick comes in the way the Cleric learns spells. Per page 58, Clerics effectively know their entire spell list, and are only limited by the spell slots their have available. Druids work this way too. Rangers and Wizards, on the other hand, have a limited number of known spells that they can choose from.
Per page , you determine which spells you know and prepare for each class individually. He need only expend spells lots of the appropriate level to cast them. Since my character does not have Wizard Slots and Cleric Slots, only their total Spell Slots from their combined class levels, they can prepare any spell from the Cleric list as a first level Cleric. A GM is always free to say no, but it would have been better for the rules not to allow such a combo in the first place.
The majority of my games have started at level 1. As for invisibility, it takes a while to figure out, but if you follow the links of what being invisible actually does, you find that the mechanically it counts as anyone who attacks the invisible character being blinded. That means disadvantage on attack rolls.
I think RPGs can be better than constantly repeating the mistakes of the past. Oren, the problem with your reading is that there is an explicit example in the mutliclassing rules PHB You determine spells you know and prepare individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. Because you prepare as a first level cleric, you are not able to prepare a spell of 9th level as written because in the cleric spellcasting rules it tells you that you can only prepare spells for which you have slots. Meaning you, the first level cleric, can only prep 1st level spells.
Both wish and simulacrum are far more game changing in my mind. This has nothing to do with invisibility. It is up to the character to still remain quiet and sneak while invisible. And then even if they are found, the enemy still has disadvantage on all attacks. And to put a little icing on the cake, the invisible character has advantage on attack rolls.
To your last comment, I think 5e has learned from the mistakes of 4e and 3. This is why the editorial process is so critical. Yet, English majors and other Humanities folks get short shrift in respect, hiring, and wages. People like to pretend that their only role is to write stories and dialog… not do verbal logic checks. They wrote that you prepare spells as if you were a single-classed character of that class and level. You may cast a 9th-level guiding bolt, but you cannot cast a 2nd-level augury because you cannot prepare augury.
If you want to be able to do damage at a distance, you pick a casting class. If you want to be able to get up close and personal and put the hurt on people, you pick a fighting class. Not everything in the books, in terms of creatures, items, spells, etc. YOU create your world; the books are just a guide. That means fighters have to be careful as well as tough, and they need to invest in first aid skills, healing potions, and maybe even keep a cleric around.
The rules are there as guidelines to help you create your own setting, not as inviolable laws. Most of the games I run are 3. HP is a very abstract concept, it relates just as much to exhaustion as it does to actual physical injury. For example, in a full suit of plate armor helmet, cuirass, pauldrons, spaulders, ect. That being said, if i put you in plate and then beat you with a sledge hammer for a few minutes, you would hardly be able to fight me with any measure of effectiveness, though you would have no serious injuries, other than bruises.
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I never really hurt you, but i still lowered your HP, make sense? Our hobby, like anything, benefits from legitimate criticism. I appreciate your efforts. Many of the issues that Dungeons and Dragons faces go largely unfixed edition to edition, being replace by a mechanic that is more convenient, but broken in a different way. This can be mitigated by an attentive, skilled and considerate GM. There is, however, a lot to mitigate. Newer GMs are less likely to catch the majority of issues; a single three hour session of online play with a novice GM in Discord will show you as much.
There must also be consensus between the GM and players on the rules, and there are a LOT of rules to remember. It causes confusion and consternation when the rules are unclear to members of the group, and the problem increases exponentially with each member who misunderstands either the structure or intent of the many, many rules. And the subsequent posts. Pretty much the whole of the discussion. Thank you for trying. Glad you enjoyed the article! Yeah, good luck with that when it comes to house rules! People seem to really really like being deferent to whatever is in a book simply because they bought it or because someone working for a corporation wrote it.
Sorry, but 5E is drastically superior to 3. Martial classes can easily outdamage magic caster classes by the way; the most optimized martial builds can do damage easily per enemy and can even go up to or in one round. Wildshape is weak compared to every other martial classes even on a Moon Druid, and Druid spellcasting is pretty weak compared to Wizard, Sorc, Warlock and Bard options with the exception of Entangle, Spike Growth and the Summoning Spells — and the latter two are available to other classes as well and all of them are available to Bards which by the way is the real power class in 5E.
Rule as needed. Just so you know — the game does tell you how far and how high you can jump, and it also tells you what happens when you put an interdimensional space into an interdimensional space. So I am not sure what you are complaining about. Encounter balancing is always a challenge but not as big a deal as you make it out. Being able to do this is what separates newb DMs from real DMs. I definitely agree that bards are unmatched in their versatility and fill do just about any role well.
As for druids the Circle of the Moon is the most powerful class at level 2. Then at level 20 they have the best capstone ability of any class. But as most games occur at levels higher than 2 and lower than 18, I agree with your assessment that druids are typically a weak class. I actually prefer it when specialized classes are weaker. Too many rules, too much power gaming and the general inability of modern gamers to think creatively to maximize their characters rather than just load up on items.
And any DM who needs things like challenge ratings to properly balance encounters is either lazy or stupid. A competent creative GM who is willing to change things, and especially add upon it, can make 1e considerably better. In low level campaigns, too, wizards really need to be elves. Return to Book Page. Preview — Freebooter by Chris Turner.
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